released 2/27/2026

In this extended conversation from 1976, Clyde Kilby (1902–1986), founder of the Marion E. Wade Center at Wheaton College, discusses C. S. Lewis’s critique of scientism and rationalism, and his belief in the primacy of the imagination. Kilby argues that Lewis’s lifelong pursuit of truth led him to understand that reason must not displace imagination as a way of knowing reality because reality cannot be reduced to rationalization. Lewis’s mythic vision was based in the understanding that the best of the ancient myths pointed beyond themselves to truths that were fulfilled in Christ. Kilby explains how this mythic vision functions in Lewis’s fiction. He also discusses Lewis’s critique of modernity’s over-analysis and over-abstraction, and he recommends the author’s remedy of regular, direct encounters with real things in Creation. A shorter segment of this interview was originally published on Volume 30 of the Mars Hill Tapes.

37 minutes

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