
originally published 11/1/2003
Theologian and musician Jeremy Begbie explores what we learn about time, theology, and the structure of Creation from the experience of music. Begbie asserts that, rather than being a problem to solve, time is actually “a good reality of God’s good world,” and that music can help us see time this way. There are implications to the reality that God took time to create everything and that things achieve the fullness of their perfection over time. Music, Begbie says, embodies these truths and teaches them to us. Through patterns of equilibrium, tension, and a return to a more complete equilibrium, Western tonal music enacts the story of Creation, Fall, and Redemption as well as the sense of “groaning” and delayed gratification we experience in the waiting. Begbie ends with a discussion of the physicality of music and how it affects our bodies, memories, and emotions. This interview was originally featured on Volume 64 of the Journal.
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